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Ed Schilling
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« on: April 22, 2017, 03:53:10 PM »

Well, I completed the main unit and it works according to plan. Plenty of gain.....dead silent. All that remains is to build the p/s box which is just mounting the connectors when they show up.

I have put the gain stage on one input of 4. It could go on any number of them I reckon. One is good. I can not imagine anyone needing gain on more than one input.

I am very excited but my opinion means nothing. The opinion of the folks I built it for are all that matters to me. I will never be able to afford one! i wish it could stay for HornFest! It can't so  The Beasts will have to do for excitement instead:) Maybe we can fry a few drivers.....I'm sure they will want too Smiley.
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ps......of course every Truth I have ever built can be "upgraded" but if you have enough gain there is simply no need. The Ultimate sounds exactly like the Truth as far as I can tell. The gain is "nice to have" but for many will not be needed. I do not "need" it but I want it....just because it is possible and Hell, I should be able to have  what I actually build! Soon as I hit the lottery I'll build myself one!  I NEVER would have thought of using xformers this way! I'm glad Max (Irv) is smarter than me and pushed me to make it!
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 03:16:08 PM »

Almost 3 months down the track, is there more detailed information about this Ed?
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Cartridge - Soundsmith The Voice (ebony).
Phono stage - Moon LP 5.3
Preamp - Hornshoppe The Truth
Speakers - KRK Expose E8B Studio Monitors
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2017, 09:19:28 PM »

Hey Tphile, well sort of. The experiment was a success from my point of view but in the end the gain was not without compromise. The xformers were never supposed to improve anything, as you know. Their purpose was simply to add 6-8 db of gain on one input without affecting the sound in any way regardless of cost. The experiment was not a complete failure but The Truth is so over the top that any compromise is just that. The whole effort is to have guys with not enough gain from their phono stage which they may love not to have to replace it for one with more gain to be able to know The Truth. Going after the one part of the market not open to me..............guys with not enough gain from ether the digital source or their phono. They were "audible". Just barely but they were not "invisible". That was the goal, so in that respect it was a "not good enough attempt". Would I be happy with them? Hell yea but they were not mine and I do not need them......I just want them Smiley

I'd say that I'd be happy with the result of the added gain if I needed it but since I have the Transcendent Phono Stage with 54 db of gain it's a real non issue.

So, the idea is not dead but there is more work to do..............doubling the cost of The Truth for 6-8 db on one input and having ANY compromise in sound is not acceptable.

So, still working on it and there are a lot of ways to skin a cat!

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2017, 01:37:01 AM »

I can absolutely appreciate your unwillingness to compromise the capability of The Truth Ed. You stick to your guns Sir. Thank you for your utter honesty and candor.
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Phono stage - Moon LP 5.3
Preamp - Hornshoppe The Truth
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2017, 08:59:33 AM »

In my system, which has an active crossover, the Truth couldn't drive the crossover enough to get my amps to provide anything more than background music level. I had the Truth volume pegged. I had to add about 3-4 DB of gain at the crossover to drive the amps. I notice no change in sound quality between stock and with boost in sound quality.  For those who need a little extra, an after Truth stage may be the answer.
I can't see how an input tranny would be better. Certainly not for the money.

Before anybody reads this the wrong way, I love the Truth. In like 99% of systems, it will be damn near perfect.

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 05:10:16 AM »

I was re-reading your post Steve. Two things:

I agree if a little gain can be added at the next stage after The Truth, there still can be good results. The result of that doesn't have to be disastrous. I'm willing to concede that not needing gain after The Truth would probably be the demonstrable optimum outcome. However, given a truly great Source feeding into The Truth, the extent of what Ed's marvel can convey of the excellence of the Source would in particular circumstances override the deficiency introduced by the slight gain.

A component can come up with a better net result music and sound-wise if it has access to the highest quality feed possible. For a quality stage which has the option of applying some extra gain after The Truth, that added capability that The Truth excels at, gives the next stage the best for it to work with. An excellent next stage can't provide Caviar if the input is Manure.
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Turntable - Yamaha GT 2000
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Phono stage - Moon LP 5.3
Preamp - Hornshoppe The Truth
Speakers - KRK Expose E8B Studio Monitors
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