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General Category => The Great Horned Heil, AKA "Time Vampires" => Topic started by: vrod on August 30, 2016, 06:53:12 AM



Title: The Frugal Horn Speakers
Post by: vrod on August 30, 2016, 06:53:12 AM
I've been spending some time at the DIY Audio Site. I read about the The Frugal Horns. Are these similar to ED'S design? They seem a lot taller but I could be wrong. Has anyone heard these and what impressions do they have. By the way my new 126en have about 20 hours on them and they sound impressive. The Spectral that blew up my previous Fostex speakers now has new output transistors (one was weak), the bias has been reset but has not been shipped back to me. My other DMA50 is also going back for refurbishing. I plan to use Ed's The Truth (currently being built) with them.


Title: Re: The Frugal Horn Speakers
Post by: Henry on August 30, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
...I read about the The Frugal Horns. Are these similar to ED'S design?...

Frugal boy thinks so.  Just an unsuccessful attempt to rip Ed off of a good design.  It ain't the first time and probably not the last.  :D


Title: Re: The Frugal Horn Speakers
Post by: Ed Schilling on August 30, 2016, 10:08:53 AM
VRod, The Horns are a 6 foot long, roughly exponential flare, and in corners almost have a proper mouth for the targeted cutoff. The other one is not a horn at all....more like a TL that is not a proper design.

A horn is a horn, anything less is not. Only a horn can increase efficiency while reducing excursion, or at least that is what PK said. The other one should not be able to play as loudly before distortion nor should it have as good or as deep of bass, it may boom but that is just boom.

Ed


Title: Re: The Frugal Horn Speakers
Post by: Steve F on August 30, 2016, 08:32:25 PM
Yeah, what Henry said!!!


Title: Re: The Frugal Horn Speakers
Post by: Henry on August 30, 2016, 10:50:04 PM
Yeah, what Henry said!!!

Yes, it's pretty obvious what's going on, even I get it.  Think you're bright and corrupt enough to steal another man's intellectual property, then throw in a healthy dose of condescension and passive aggressiveness.  That's how frugal snake rolls.  ::)

In the past, another jackhole got a Horn, whacked it in half to see the interior folds and made his own version. 

How do these guys sleep at night?  Unfortunately, probably well.


Title: Re: The Frugal Horn Speakers
Post by: Steve F on August 31, 2016, 05:18:17 AM
There have been several. One guy dissed Ed and the Horns, then sold/still sells an inferior speaker that isn't a horn, and defies the laws of physics.

If someone wants to build a copy of a known speaker design for personal use only, that's okay. Some designers have given their designs away. Ed's bucket sub is a fine example.



Title: Re: The Frugal Horn Speakers
Post by: Henry on August 31, 2016, 12:44:37 PM
Exactly Mr. Steve,

Nelson Pass is the DIY bomb.  I have benefited many times from his graciousness.  Ed does the killer bucket that has been vetted by Bruce R.

It's hard to hide goodness. ;D


Title: Re: The Frugal Horn Speakers
Post by: Steve F on August 31, 2016, 06:12:25 PM
I've never built anything Mr Pass designed. One of these days.
I could name only a few other guys who really help out the DIY community.


Title: Re: The Frugal Horn Speakers
Post by: Henry on September 01, 2016, 02:35:07 AM
Steve, you should cobble together the ACA.  It's excellent and inexpensive.  Buy the complete kit because the chassis requires no drilling and it looks nice.  It will make you happy with your high efficiency speaker tendencies.   ;)